“When Are You Coming Home?” – A Letter from George

Posted on January 19, 2012 by thefairbanksfour

A person always tells their own story best. We could write a thousand pages without expressing the simple truth as well as one short letter. George is not a particularly sentimental person, so I know it took a lot to write this.It never fails to humble and amaze me that all four of these men have faith that this experience was meant to be and will serve a larger purpose. I think it is hard for many of us to keep faith in a life with all our freedom and every advantage - that they have found strong faith in a relatively hopeless place is.....beautiful.

If this letter moves you, get out there, and spread the word!! There is a lot of power in the truth, it has a way of spreading far and wide when it is repeated!

Also (since George begins this letter teasing Kevin) it is probably a good time to clarify that Kevin is Outside Indian and White, not Alaska Native. We have been asked about that a few times, and although it is not terribly important, thought this would be a good time to clarify for readers that Eugene, Marvin, and George are all Alaska Native, that Kevin is Native American and white.

Want to help bring George home? Sign our petition – click HERE!

I Shall Be Released – Video Post

Posted on January 14, 2012 by thefairbanksfour

This short video covers the most basic information about this case. This is a great thing to pass along, link to, post on Facebook, tweet, text, and spread far and wide. Many people who do not have the time to read the case files have three minutes to watch a video.

The soundtrack is I Shall Be Released as sung by Walter Trout and the Free Radicals

They say everything can be replaced

But every distance is not near

So I remember every face

Of every man who put me here

They say ev’ry man needs protection
They say ev’ry man must fall
Yet I swear I see my reflection
Some place so high above this wall
I see my light come shining
From the west unto the east
Any day now, any day now
I shall be released

Standing next to me in this lonely crowd
Is a man who swears he’s not to blame
All day long I hear him shout so loud
Crying out that he was framed
I see my light come shining
From the west unto the east
Any day now, any day now
I shall be released

Alibis and Witnesses V – Paging Conan

Posted on January 6, 2012 by thefairbanksfour

As near as anyone can tell the whole town of Fairbanks spent part of this night paging Conan Goebel. We do not know how to reach him (maybe someone still has his pager number?) to see if he wanted to make a statement today, but he figures enough into all of the timelines that he is well worth a mention. Beyond that, Conan has two other important roles in this case.

Conan’s pager had the potential to be a really solid alibi, and potentially an alibi for all four. It could have been the only common alibi, since although they spent the critical hours of this night apart, someone was always paging Conan. As far as we have seen, there was never any attempt to track down this data. But his pager would have been an ideal time-stamp on many people’s whereabouts. We have no idea why this information is not available, could be that it was not possible, could be that, like many other pieces of information that contradicted the investigators’ theory, it is either “missing” or was never pursued. Conan did offer the pager information to detectives, and surely the records if they existed could have easily been obtained. His pager is such an important witness an entire future post will be the pager’s timeline.

Aside from his pager Conan, like many others, was interrogated with high-pressure techniques when he was interviewed. As with other interrogations, which you can and should read HERE, Conan was given the good cop/bad cop treatment, and they tried to pressure him into admitting he was an eye-witness to the crime. Again, they gave him two choices: Admit to being an eye witness; or, risk becoming a suspect. They cited false information, telling him that multiple people had implicated him, that his friends said he was there, that he had details of the crime not yet known (of course, none of this was true) and suggested to him that he had been blacked out (if you can undermine a person’s own memory of their movements it is much easier to persuade them that they were involved).

This technique failed quite terribly on Conan. And it is refreshing, because it worked painfully well on too many people.

Conan’s interview is one of our favorites, because when the investigator said things like, “Your friends think you were there.” He said things like, “I don’t think so.” He was just the rare example of a person who saw right through the manipulation. He asks them repeatedly about the obvious holes in their theory:

How could a person across town have done this?
Why would they ever think people like Marvin or Eugene had done this?
George or Kevin?
Why wasn’t George’s foot hurt when Conan saw him at around 3 am?
Why were all of them behaving normally, in a good mood?
Why weren’t they covered in blood? Why hadn’t they told him or anyone else about a fight?

Conan was a common link between the four because he was friends with each. People always ask why everyone was paging Conan. It seems he was a popular guy, and on a hopping night, everyone just wanted him to come out. Another distinct possibility – maybe everyone was paging Conan just because he’s kind of a badass.

We will post his interview in its entirety at the bottom, but have to share a few stand-out quotes here:

Conan: Well, I can’t say it’s them.
Officer: His pants pulled down. Raped, and left in the gutter, okay. Now, if that was your friend, okay –
Conan: I still wouldn’t blame these kids for something that I don’t know. See, there’s – I can’t tell…
Officer: That’s why you’re not the police and you’re not investigating this –
Conan: Thank God, ’cause I wouldn’t want to be working your job.

We are glad that the officer explained to Conan that his unwillingness to finger someone for murder without evidence or motivation is why he would not make a good investigator.

After Conan admonishes them for making such a serious accusation with such little evidence, he gives Detective Ring and the other officer the boot. He tells them that they should not be showing up at his house, being disrespectful, and harassing him. It clearly makes th

em mad, and the officer gives Conan a little speech about owning the streets:

Officer: Well, let me tell you something here. These are our streets, okay.

Conan: Right, man. They’re my streets too.

Touché. And you know what? They ARE our streets! Where can we get a Team Conan t-shirt?!

Well, beyond his encouraging attitude and very early “Free the Fairbanks Four” work, Conan was an important witness. Conan saw all of the accused this night. His girlfriend was at the house party with Eugene and Kevin, which is why he was being paged from their location. His sister was there as well. Kevin was dropped off at Conan’s house after the house party, and walked to his mom’s from there. After he got in a fight with his mom, Kevin rode back to Conan’s by a three wheeler and spent the night there.

For the purposes of this transcription “G” will be Conan Goebel, and “O” will be officer. (transcript does not confirm that one of the officers is Aaron Ring. We are operating on a hunch when we assume that it was him)

Goebel: All right. So, I gotta go over this all over with you?

Officer: Yes, just where you were Friday.
G: 11:30, around 11:30, I got dropped off at, um – Over by the 21st Avenue at my cousin’s house (inaudible). And, uh…

O: Well, who dropped YOU off? I think that’s one of the questions.
G: Chrsty Moses and – I answered this.

O: I understand. That’s why I’m taking notes this time.
G: And Kevin Pease and um…

O: Okay.

G: Dropped me off
O: Was Eugene I the car at that time?

G: No.

O: Okay, 11:30?
G: Yeah, it was probably around 11 – 11:30.

O: 11 – 11:30, okay. What’s your cousin’s name again?
G: Samantha.

O: Samantha, okay. And how long did you stay there?

G: Till about 2:30, 2, I think.

O: Two? 2:30, okay.
G: Could have been (inaudible). ‘Cause I know I went to town for a while. It might have been earlier when they dropped me off the first time, or when they dropped me off the second time (inaudible).
O: What do you mean, first and second time?
G: Well, they dropped me off the first time and I stayed there for a while, and then they took off. Then it’s just those people right there, and then they came back, and, uh, I got – I went – I come to the van with them and we went and picked up Eugene and Nathan. They were at Eugene’s house. And then we drove back over there and then they dropped me off right there, but I told them when they were looking for a place to go I (inaudible) take the car back. So, I was like, well, you can drop me off at Sam’s house.
O: Well, see, okay. That’s – That is why he’s confused and why I’m a little confused. you got dropped off there the first time by who?

G: By just them people I said.

O: Okay, what time was that?
G: About 10:30.

O: It was those people that dropped you off
G: It was those – what time was that? The van (inaudible)

O: Tanya’s van? Okay.
Another Officer: And who was in this van with you?

G: Tanya, Christy Moses, Allen Sisto.
O: Okay, and they dropped you off at Sam’s and they went – you don’t – do you know where they went?

G: They went up to Kevin’s – Kevin Bradley’s.

O: Kevin Bradley.
G: There, yes. And then, they paged me, probably between 12:00 and 2:00 (inaudible) and they were (inaudible) it up there for a while, and I talked to them on the phone a few times and told them (inaudible) but I never (inaudible) so I called the next time around – I don’t know – 2, around 2:30
O: Well, what’s this 11:30 time that you gave me when you were dropped off there?
G: That’s when I got dropped off the second time.
O: Okay, tell me about that – when you got dropped off the second time at 11:30.
G: Well, after we picked up Nathan and Eugene, we went over – back over there, and I was like, they were going to find a place. Get me on the pager, and I’ll call (inaudible).
O: YOU didn’t go up to Kevin’s?

G: huh-uh

O: Okay.
G: And I, um, (inaudible) down there and they paged me and I talked to them on the phone. (inaudible) I think it was like probably around, uh, 2:30 is when I called again. I called at, um, it was probably like, (inaudible) left. And I was like, all right. And I asked, where did they go. and they went down to Eagles Hall to meet you. And I was (inaudible) so I hung up the…
O: You didn’t know they were going to go down to Eagles to meet you?

G: Nah-huh.

O: Okay.
G: Um, I think Eugene paged me before they leave. I don’t know who – he told Dana – he said we’re going to go meet Conan down at Eagles Hall, but I don’t – I didn’t call him back. (Inaudible)
O: Oh, I see

G: And, uh, he paged me 479-____.

O: (Inaudible)
G: And then, uh, walked down to Eagles Hall and, uh, it was about 3:00. (Inaudible) and um,
O: Who was there?
G: I ran into, uh, Eugene, Dana, um, George, Marvin, Harley, uh, all those – all those guys. And I was talking to them. And nothing seemed – uh, I mean I was talking to him right there and, uh, he even talked to me and George (inaudible) hadn’t seen him in a while, and there was NOTHING WRONG WITH HIM AT THE TIME (inaudible) and he was in a pretty good mood. And then, uh, so we was talking for a while, and um, and then, um, then everybody’s taking off – we were pretty faded at that time (inaudible). And I was like, well, um, (inaudible) I called for a taxi for Dana. And I, (inaudible) the taxi, (inaudible), Eagles, but they took too long because it was 3:30 when we finally got out of there, and, uh, Eagles – a red taxi rolled up and I went out there and I put here in that one and I sent her
home. And after that, me, Eugene and Edgar, we proceeded on foot downtown. And we walked downtown. And (inaudible) across the street from – over at Elbow Room, and kind of walked in there, and then we turned around and…

O: Who was in that bar?

G: Um…
O: Nobody YOU knew? Okay.
G: And, um, I walked (inaudible), and, then, uh, (inaudible) he didn’t last too long. He was pretty (inaudible). So then I – we walked over to Alaska Motor Inn. And chilled there for a while. And, uh, then, somebody said, (inaudible)

O: Did YOU see that?
G: I didn’t see (inaudible). Eugene (inaudible). But then I found out Eugene (inaudible) I talked to Harley
O: When did you hear about that? Because I don’t think you told me about that before.
G: Well, see, I walked back over to – walked back over to Shannon’s – Shannon Charlie’s – (Inaudible) and, uh, I just took off over there after (inaudible) and I walked – walked over – back over to 21st. That was at my cousin’s for a while.

O: What time did YOU get back over to 21st?
G: Probably around, uh, (inaudible). Then, uh, I was – I don’t know – it could have been the next morning or that night that I talked to Harley about mace down there and it was like Eugene – Eugene and George got in a fight at Alaska Motor Inn. That’s what I thought happened. George got in a fight at Alaska Motor Inn. And I was like, where’s he at? And they’re like, he got arrested. And then, after that, the next morning I heard about some kid getting beat up pretty bad and in a coma.
O: Where’d you hear about that, Conan?
G: Um, I think that was Louis. ‘Cause the cops (inaudible). And I was like – I was like, really. and they’re like (inaudible). We got in a fight with some other guy. And that’s what I thought happened.
O: That’s pretty weird because…
G: I don’t know how – I mean Eugene took off and he didn’t say nothing – there was nothing wrong with him – no blood.
O: Well, let me ask you about this. You know the Tritts – Cordell and Courtney and their sister – what’s their sister’s name? I’ve got their names written down. Any way, Cordell and Courtney and their sister. And you know… ?: (Inaudible)
O: Antonio Sisto. And you remember riding in the car with these guys?

G: On Friday?
O: Um, Saturday.

G: Mm

O: YOU remember talking to Antonio and Courtney?

G: (Inaudible)
O: And telling them about this guy that these guys beat down?
G: No, I didn’t tell them about (inaudible) I asked and they said (inaudible) fight or some…
O: Well, let me tell you. I talked to all these people and they had information about you talking about this guy that got beat down. And you know what they thought, by the way you were talking about it and all the details you had and everything – and this is Saturday where all the details came out. They thought you were there.

G: That I was there?

O: When this happened.
G: I read it in the paper. It was all in the paper. I told them – I told that Eugene, Marvin, Kevin, and George are accused of murder.

O: That wasn’t in the paper Saturday.
G: Well, it was in the paper or on the new then, because even, uh, Sammie Smith told me heard about it on the news – somebody got coma – in a coma.

O: What time was that you were (inaudible)?
G: Then it was probably close to – it was like 12:00 at night. And, I says to them (inaudible) ’cause I was calling and talking to (inaudible) and telling me they had all those guys in jail, and I was like – I don’t know – I don’t know (inaudible) he died or heard – at first I heard he was in a coma and then I heard he died. And I was telling (inaudible) that. And after that I got a ride with Courtney. And I was – I got in there and I was talking to Antonio, and he was asking me about (inaudible), and I was like, I don’t
know, man. I heard that they’re being accused for murder or something like that.
O: Well, I think Antonio knew all about it because I think we’d talked to him by then. And, uh, and – me and the Tritts are under the impression that you were there and saw this.
G: Well, I wasn’t even anywhere around them.
O: Or, they were under the impression maybe even a little more so that you were there and participated in this.

G: You say that’s what they say?
O: That’s the impression they got from you.

G: I don’t think so. I didn’t tell them anything like that.
O: But if you were there and saw what happened, that’s another thing.

G: I didn’t…
O: Now, you mentioned Jeremy. And I’ll talk about Jeremy for a minute. Because Jeremy asked youvabout it, okay? And you told him, geeze, I don’t know what was up – I was in a blackout.
G: I was in a blackout? I wasn’t blacked out.
O: I know, but that’s what you told Jeremy. ‘Cause he asked you why were in the fight with these guys and this thing, and you told him you were in a blackout. Well, you know I’m not lying to you ’cause you told Jeremy that. You know I’m not lying to you.
G: I don’t know nothing about that.

O: And Jeremy told us.

G: I seen – I recall…
O: ‘Cause he’s concerned about you and wanting to know if maybe you were just a witness to this happening or you were a participant.
G: I wasn’t a participant or a witness. I didn’t – I didn’t even get down there until…
O: Why’d YOU tell Jeremy you were in a blackout then?

G: I never told him I was in a blackout.
O: Well, I don’t think he made it up. He doesn’t have anything against you.
G: Well, I know he don’t have anything against me. There’s no reason, ’cause I never told him I was in a blackout.
O: You see how this all looks? The Tritts thinking – or thinking you’re talking like you were there and you participated. Jeremy’s asking you a couple of times about the fight you were in and you…
G: I wasn’t even in a fight. I didn’t tell him. I said, I don’t know what happened. They’re getting accused for beating somebody up.
O: You told him you didn’t know because you were in a blackout, okay?
G: I didn’t know because…

O: See, Conan, you’re not – we’re not arresting you here.
G: But I ain’t got nothing – I wasn’t even around then. I didn’t even hear what happened until like the next day about this kid being comatose…
O: We’re – we’re kind of concerned as to whether you want to be a witness or not, or whether you want to…

G: Hey, if I seen it, man, I would tell you guys what happened.
O: Well, let’s talk about that for a minute.
G: But the thing is, I wasn’t even in the neighborhood that it happened in. And that’s what I…
O: Were you in Marvin’s car at all?
G: Naw-huh. I never even noticed Marvin’s car that night. I never even rode in the car at all from Eagles
Hall.

O: Well, is there any reason why YOUR fingerprints would be in Marvin’s car?
G: Marvin’s car?

O: HIS blue car?
G: There’s no reason my fingerprints would be in there. (Inaudible) I mean, I’ve rode in there before, but I didn’t ride in there Friday night. I don’t even think they could be in there ’cause I haven’t rode in there for a while.
O: Okay, well, no reason – in the back seat area – you weren’t in the backseat area of that car?
G: (Inaudible)

O: Did YOU go to the Eagles Hall at all?

G: Yes.

O: How?

G: Walked.
O: What time did YOU leave?

G: Around 3:30.

O: 3:30? What time did you go to (inaudible)?
G: Around 3:00. I ran into Dana (inaudible).

O: Where were you? Dana had been looking for you.
G: I was at my cousin’s house (inaudible).
O: You were there that whole time? You didn’t leave there then?

G: No

O: All right.
G: (Inaudible) Went in. I talked to him on the phone a bunch of times.
O: Why didn’t you go to the Eagles Hall with (inaudible)
G: Because I didn’t know there was nothing going on down there.

O: (Inaudible)
G: (Inaudible) because I talked to them on the phone, and it was like come on, it’s like, we’re going to Eagles Hall, and then I found out (inaudible)
O: Were they – were they at Eagles Hall when you talked to Joey?
G: No, Joey was up at Kevin’s and he said they just left.
O: Oh, okay. Well, let me – let me clue YOU in there. Joey drove them to Eagles Hall.
G: Oh, really?
O: Oh really. Oh really. So, see, we’re having a problem here. ‘Cause Joey drove them. He borrowed Kevin’s car. Kevin didn’t want to go and Joey drove ’em.
G: Well, (inaudible) ’cause he went to Eagles Hall (inaudible) that’s why he called. ‘Cause I was like how long ago. He was like, not too long ago. They left when (inaudible)
O: And what time was that?

G: Uh, (inaudible) about (inaudible).
O: Uh-huh, but you’re telling me Joey was telling you this. And I’m telling you Joey drove.
G: I don’t know who drove. I just talked to Joey – I don’t remember what time it was. It was around 2:00, 2:30, somewhere around…

O: Well, maybe Joey had driven and come back?
G: (Inaudible) that’s what I (inaudible)
O: So maybe it was around 1:30 or earlier than that that HE drove them in, huh?

G: Huh
O: Maybe it was around 1:30 or earlier than that that he drove them in?
G: Could be, I don’t know. I didn’t talk to him ’till late.

O: Well, you told me that…
G: I don’t know. I don’t recall. I could check my pager was.

O: You got it?

G: No
O: You haven’t?

G: No, that was Friday. All those pages are erased. I don’t know (inaudible)
O: Well, see what I’m saying? I’m a little bit confused about what you’re telling me. Either Joey had already come and come back, which means it was quite – quite a while ago that you’d taken to the Eagles, because they got – he was –

G: I don’t remember the time, though, man, I mean…
O: Well, you might be right – you might be right. ‘Cause I think your sister saw him (inaudible) time, so you might be right. You might have talked to Joey and he’d already gone and come back.
G: I don’t, I don’t, don’t know. I talked to Joey Shank. I don’t know what time it was. It could a been around 2:30. But, then I remember I walked down there and…
O: Between 1:15 and 2:15, you were where?

G: I was over at Sam’s (inaudible).
O: And you were there from 11:30 until –
G: Probably about 11:30, 12:00. I remember Darrel Calling from the car and (inaudible). But I was sitting there ’till like probably 2:30 or later. I don’t know.

O: (Inaudible) around
G: Because I said I was at the Eagles Hall – I don’t even know what time I was there. I said I was there when everybody was leaving. I was like one of the last people at Eagles Hall.
O: Well, there’s no one (inaudible). When did YOU leave there?

G: Probably like 2:30.
O: What did you do there?

G: I just sat there talking to my cous (inaudible).
O: Okay, well I’ll give them a call and we’ll figure it out. In fact, I can give them a call here in just a minute.
G: And then I sat there for a while, and then I talked to Joey on the phone. I don’t remember what time it was. He says, I (inaudible) – when I talked to him last time, I got to – I got to Eagles Hall and everybody was leaving. But I don’t know what time it was. (Inaudible) it was around 3:30 when everybody was taking off (inaudible).
O: Well, that’s what your sister and them’s saying. But I don’t know if their times are right.
Other O: They locked the doors between 3:00 and 3:30.

O: Yeah, THEY had the doors closed.
G: Because we were the last people there.

O: Because the thing was over at 3:00.
G: Yeah, it was probably around then.

O: You left, um…
G: But it took a while for everybody to get out, because everybody’s drunk.
O: Yeah, everybody was out by 3:20.

G: There were a lot of people.
O: So, you went from 21st Avenue over to the Eagles Hall?

G: Yeah.
O: And you got there, people were leaving?

G: Uh-huh. People were leaving.
O: You see, the problem I’m having here is it’s sounding to me like people are trying to back step and figure out things to match up with other people’s stories and it’s starting to sound like a big mess.
G: I don’t – I don’t know. I…
O: And the way you talked to in front of the Tritts and Antonio, they were thinking you were there when this happened.

G: I wasn’t even there. How can they say that? I told them that…
O: Well, good point. Because of the detail you had. And I would like to know if one of these guys talked to you and told you what happened, or if you were there?
G: No. Somebody’s (inaudible)

O: Which one of these guys talked to you?

G: Harley told me…
O: No. Which one of these guys that were in the fight told you about it?

G: Nobody told me anything.
O: (Inaudible) You’re not in trouble here. We’re not here trying to hassle…
G: Look! I’m basing it all on the times you said. Eagles Hall – we left – a lot of people left Eagles Hall.
O: Look, here’s the problem. You call and you talk to Joey. Well, Joey thought you dropped these people off, right? And did some things in town and come back up to the hill. Right. (Inaudible) Well, that doesn’t match up with your sister’s (inaudible), who’s called by Kevin and told to adjust her time a little bit.

O: Well,
G: I don’t think that (inaudible) happened was Eugene and George got in a fight. It’s nothing that Eugene and George got in a fight was a whole different fight.
O: NO! He did! Now, I can play a part of the tape for your sister with Eugene saying how many times he kicked the guy. I just asked him how many times you kick him…
G: (Inaudible). How could Kevin do it, when it happened over there? Kevin was at my house and he had to go to his house.

O: No, he wasn’t at his house.
G: He was at my house and then he went to his house and got in a fight with his mom.
O: He got in a fight with his mom later.

G: All right.
O: Okay, and the way it happened, is ’cause all these guys have lied about (inaudible) and what time it was and all that, okay.
G: I don’t even know where they were. Because I didn’t see these people until 3:00 – when I first got down to Eagles Hall and I talked with them. And if they would have got in a fight, they would have told me (inaudible) because –
O: Right. Because that’s what we figured. We figured they told you about it –
G: (Inaudible)

O: And that’s why we knew so much information to talk with Antonio…
G: No, somebody’s telling you…

O: (Inaudible)
G: Um, like, I think it’s Harley, or one of them, told me that he got (inaudible) so bad that they had to cut open (inaudible). So, well…

O: How would he know that?
G: I don’t know, man. Lewis or somebody told me – I don’t know. But I was like, well, I was like, how could these guys – these guys wouldn’t (inaudible)…
O: Well, they certainly did. They certainly did.
G: Well, I think Eugene got in a fight at Alaska Motor Inn. That’s what happened.
O: And what, a space man killed this boy?

G: Huh?
O: A guy from outer space killed this boy downtown?
G: I don’t know, man, there’s a lot of people downtown that night. You gotta’ understand there were other people downtown on Friday night.
O: But you see, none of them are admitting to doing it. And Eugene and George are, okay. That’s the problem we have, okay.

G: Well, how could – how could Kevin do it when he was sitting here and –
O: He wasn’t here.

G: He was here. He got dropped off at my house.

O: Well…
G: He got dropped off at my house.
O: And then he left. He didn’t even come in inside. Then he came back on his three-wheeler to your house.

G: He left his house. How could he –

O: ‘Cause he actually went downtown. He didn’t –
G: His house is that way, unless he got beat up that way. Then (inaudible) he would walk that way.
O: Well, I’M not going to argue with you. ‘Cause I know where Kevin was and I know what time he had a fight with his mom.
G: Well, yeah, it’s like. Not too (inaudible). ‘Cause after he got in a fight with his mom he came back over here on the three-wheeler and then passed out on the floor.
O: Except for (inaudible) – he stopped by the Alaska Motor Inn (inaudible).
G: He wasn’t even over there. I went over there. I never seen him over there the whole time. I stopped –
O: So, you really don’t know what time he was doing anything, do you?

G: I stopped –
O: Except what time he got here last.

G: I don’t know. It was probably about – I don’t know
O: Right.

G: I just heard –
O: Absolutely. So, you don’t know where any of these guys were when this boy was killed.
G: (Inaudible) I seen Eugene at 3:00 down at –
O: That’s not when the boy was killed. You don’t know when these guys were killed – or where they were when this boy was killed?

G: Uh-huh. Well, I don’t know where –
O: So don’t try to figure it out, okay. We just need to know –
G: I – I don’t see how they could do this, man.

O: WE just need to know what you know.
G: ‘Cause if they did, they would have told me about it. They would have told me they got into a fight. That’s the thing. And, George – I seen George and his foot – was nothing wrong with his foot.There’s nothing wrong –
O: If it was your brother or sister laying face down and had this done to ’em, you wouldn’t be talking like that, okay.

G: Yeah, but it wasn’t. That’s the thing.

O: That’s right. It wasn’t.
G: But it ain’t.

O: This was a 15 year old boy…

G: I don’t pretend things that never happened –
O: This was a 15 year old boy. This is a 15 year old boy –

G: I know it’s a 15 year old boy.
O: That got his head beat in.

G: Well, I can’t say it’s them.
O: His pants pulled down. Raped, and left in the gutter, okay. Now, if that was your friend, okay –
G: (Inaudible) problem, but it wouldn’t…

O: It would be –
G: I still wouldn’t blame these kids for something that I don’t know. See, there’s – I can’t tell…
O: That’s why you’re not the police and you’re not investigating this –
G: Thank God, ’cause I wouldn’t want to be working your job.

O: Okay, that’s why…
G: (Inaudible) but I –

Other O: I don’t understand your point. That’s exactly why what?
G: I don’t know. You said that’s the law. Whatever, man. I don’t need this. You all coming in here and harassing me in my own home. I wasn’t even with them; I was –
O: We’re not harassing you. What we’re doing is we’re just (inaudible) this right here in your home.
G: Well this is my home.

O: So you can disrespect whoever you want?
G: In my home, yes. This is my home. This is my house, man. I don’t need peole coming up in my house giving me shit (inaudible) –

O: Well, let me tell you something here. These are our streets, okay.
G: Right, man. They’re my streets too.

O: Just remember that, okay.
G: I don’t remember nothing. (Inaudible) on the streets. I live on the streets more than you do.
O: Remember that.
G: And, the thing is that I think if they did it, they would have told me about it. That’s all I’m saying
O: Maybe they’re not good friends with you. Maybe they –
G: Nah, man, these are my best friends. Ask the school – go to (Inaudible) Roberts. Ask them how close they are to me. Ask them how close these guys are. I mean, these are all my boys. Really close friends. And that’s the thing –

O: No, I have no idea. I don’t think so. I don’t think so.
(TAPE OFF)

Alibis and Witnesses IV – Alibis Interrogated

Posted on January 6, 2012 by thefairbanksfour

If Marvin had owned a mini-van, there would probably be a “Fairbanks Eleven.” God save anyone who knew him at all if he had owned a bus, there could be an entire tribe in prison. The next posts will feature some of the alibis and witnesses that appear to have barely escaped arrest for the crime as well. The number of people accused of involvement would have never been able to squeeze in the vehicle, and although some had their fingerprints, etc. submitted, none were arrested or prosecuted. They can be thankful for their own strength of mind and Marvin’s small car!

In all seriousness, there are several witnesses who were brought in because they were named as alibis, or who initiated contact with the police because they had been with one of the four that night. But the interviews rapidly devolved into something that reads a lot more like an interrogation. This post features one of those interviews.

These people were lied to. The police are allowed to lie. It is completely legal and standard practice. These young people were not aware of that, and were understandably baffled. These lies read a lot more like thinly veiled threats. The interrogators attempted to threaten anf bully these people into changing their stories with a common interrogation technique. The technique is, in its simplest form, just “good cop, bad cop.” We all know that term, but most of us do not appreciate how psychologically unraveling it can be. With this technique police officers offer the person being interrogated two options. Both are bad, but one is clearly better. One is a threat -“you will be accused of murder.” The other is an offer of a way out of that -” or maybe you were just a witness.”

For example, when they interrogated George they told him for hours that continuing to stick with his story (the truth) was completely unacceptable. That he had to either admit to playing a smaller role in the beating, or else keep up his story, in which case they would assume he was a ring leader of a brutal sexual assault and beating. It seems incomprehensible to most people that a normal person would pick between two lies, but the reality is that the situation is terrifying. People with a lot of power are telling you that you only have two choices. Experts say that many people give in out of terror and anxiety, and simply pick the lesser of two evils – anything to make the experience end.

Some people are very strong, very sure of themselves. These people often see right through the tactic. Others are weaker and cave immediately. Most of us are likely somewhere right in the middle, and as such are potentially vulnerable to this tactic.

In the case of these witnesses, the police attempted to give them the following choices: agree that you were present, and that you were an eye-witness to the crime (of course, they cite made-up evidence and “proof” that this is the case) or we might have to consider you a participant. Essentially, which were you? An eyewitness or a murderer?

This approach is most successful on people who have any doubt about their whereabouts or gaps in their memory as they can often be led to believe the scenario. (More on that HERE) It is actually surprising that they were not successful in creating an eye-witness with this tactic, but thankfully, they were not. Still, their treatment of these people who were simply doing their best to give their whereabouts that night is astonishing.

Race is a contentious issue in this case, but having read all of the police interviews, we can say this: there were many Native people interviewed, and there were many white people interviewed. Only Native people were subjected to this treatment. Racism is not something that can be often proven – unlike murder, it leaves no physical evidence. But there is more circumstantial evidence of these investigators being racists than there was circumstantial evidence of the Fairbanks Four being guilty of the crime. Yet, those four sit in jail, the investigators sit behind the desks they were promoted to, and the people they bullied and berated sit with the memory of this kind of treatment. Some people recommend that we shy away from saying that, that playing the “race card” is unfair. But sometimes in life as in poker you have no choice but to play with that hand that you were dealt, and in this case the circumstantial evidence of racism is in our opinion overwhelming. Readers will have to judge for themselves.

Vernon Roberts. When Vernon Roberts was interviewed by the police he told them simply that he was drinking that night at George and Crystal’s apartment, that he did not remember the specific time that things happened, but said that the order of events was that they drank at the apartment, that they then walked from George’s apartment to downtown, that the group spent time at the reception, and that he and George parted company in front of Tommy’s Elbow Room (also known as Cabaret).

He confirms that the group of people outlined in George’s timeline. He says that his girlfriend thought George was about to get in a fight in front of Elbow Room, that he left and returned to George and Crystal’s apartment.We know the times of these events through the testimony of people who were keeping track of the time (see George’s timeline HERE). There is no question that his intoxication makes him a somewhat unreliable alibi. But there is much to be learned about the case from the way he was interrogated.

Vernon’s interview rapidly devolved into an interrogation-like situation, with officers Aaron Ring and Jim Grier tag-team questioning him for a long period of time. When he concedes that he was drunk and that it is possible that he may not remember the entire night they begin to use the same interrogation techniques on him as they had on the four. They tell him some severe lies: they say that George sent them to talk to him, that George and Eugene indicated he knew who was responsible for the sexual assault, that coming forward as an eyewitness would help George, and insinuate that he will be in trouble if he does not come forward with the story they are supplying. NONE of this is true. They accuse him of being in the car, of sitting in the middle seat, of being either a participant or a witness. So, his bad cop, good cop choices are to either admit to being an eye-witness, thereby helping his friend and keeping himself out of trouble, or to take his chances on being investigated as a participant.

Vernon made a choice after being exposed to this technique for a long time in the interview that probably kept him from being either pressured into some kind of false statement or even falsely imprisoned for murder as well – he told them that he wanted to speak to his father, and when they pressured him to stay, he insisted.

A long excerpt of his interview is below. In time we hope to find a way to post these thousands of pages of documents in their entirety to link to (so if anyone knows how to do that, volunteer). Vernon’s experience is simply best told through the police transcript, and we wanted to include it. Prior to the segment here Vernon outlines his night over and over. Shortly after the ending of this segment there is a prolonged period of time where Vernon says he wants to speak to his father, the interrogators encourage him to wait, and eventually his insists and leaves. Vernon’s experience is simply best told through the police transcript, and we wanted to include it.

Interview conducted with Vernon Roberts. Interview conducted by Detective Aaron Ring and Investigator Jim Geier. For the purposes of this transcription “R” will indicate the voice of Vernon Roberts, “G” will indicate the voice of Investigator Geier, and “X” will indicate the voice of Detective Aaron Ring.

X: I mean I suppose it’s even possible could YOU have been in the car with these GUYS when this happened?
R: No, I don’t think so. I think I was downtown most of the night. Actually all the night.
X: I mean you…

R: Until I came over here
X: Because we have some information that there was maybe even another person with these four guys.
R: Um

X: When this happened.

R: I don’t know
X: And I was wondering if maybe that could’ve been you. Maybe you stayed in the car or something when this happened. is that a possibility?
R: Nah, cause if this shit would a happened in front of me, man, I would’ve stopped, I’d put a stop to it
X: Oh, unless you had too much to drink and you were just sitting there and these guys were, I mean they’re out of the car and all of a sudden it happens and it’s too late for you to do anything, ya know, this probably only took a few seconds
R: I don’t remember, I shouldn’t, I honestly don’t know.
X: Well, ya know, I , I don’t like keeping things from ya here. And, and I’ve talked to George and George has admitted what his involvement in this is

R: Uh-huh (affirmative)
X: Okay, and uh, and I asked who else I can talk to about this, and he told me you, okay you’re not under arrest here or anything, cause I, I don’t think that uh anyone’s told us that he was involved in kicking this guy or anything, but the information we have is maybe you have some information about it, or maybe YOU were even in the car, okay. So that’s what I’m looking at.
R: Well, like I said, I have no informatio
X: Did you have a car that, did you have a car that night?

R: No, I was walking.
X: Okay, well that leads me back to the night there at the Eagles and I wanta, I wanta be serious with you here, okay. I don’t want you to cause a problem for yourself by, by trying maybe to keep things from us.

R: Oh I’m not, I, that, I’m being honest, honest with you guys
X: Cause the most important, the most important thing that you can do now is be completely truthful in this thing.

R: That’s what I’m doing
X: And I think maybe you’re afraid that you don’t wanta get your friends in any deeper trouble, let me tell you this, George can’t be in any deeper trouble, he can’t be in any deeper trouble. He’s told us that he did this, okay. He’s told us that he did this, Eugene told us that he did this, okay. I mean it goes all the way around.

R: Uh-huh (affirmative)
X: And they’ve already told, so any, any information that you have isn’t gonna hurt George, I mean it’s not. We just wanta verify some things that he’s told us about his limited involvement and he said, these other guys were more involved than he was and that he just kicked this guys a couple of times, he didn’t have anything to do with sexually assaulting this guy

R: Uh-huh (affirmative)
X: And I asked him well how can I verify that and how can I prove what your involvement is and he tells me I should come see you, okay. So what does that leave me to believe is that you were either there or he told you about it, and I’m, I’m kinda curious as to which it was.
R: I don’t even know.

X: Cause he, okay
R: I’m telling you guys the honest truth, I mean you all just

X: I know
R: Act like I’m fucking lying to you all, but

X: Well no, no

R: Shit
X: No, I don’t think it’s, I wouldn’t call it that

R: Yeah, but that’s what your saying
X: Vernon, well, well here’s the
R: Be, be truthful, you keep saying, telling me to be truthful, and then I am…
X: Here’s the point, Vernon

R: And your all just, saying I’m a liar or something
X: If we came, if we came over here and you said right away, the first, first thing we sit down with you and say, okay, I know all about this, here’s what George did, ya know, here’s, here’s the whole thing, I would think well geeze, this is kinda strange, this is George’s friend, he shouldn’t tell us this all that that quickly ya know. So I know people cover for their friends, I, I, ya know, I don’t live in a dream world, I know people try and keep their involvement limited
R: I ain’t covering for nobody, I’m just telling you guys what I know
X: Well, here’s another thing that I’m concerned with Vernon, is that if you were in the car, that might be a reason you might not wanta talk about it. Cause You would think you would be in trouble, okay.
R: Like I say, I don’t even know if I was in the car
X: Vernon, here’s the thing, if you didn’t kick this, this boy, if you didn’t have anything to do with that, if you didn’t hit him, then you’re not in trouble, okay

R: Uh-huh (affirmative)
X: But, but if you’re a witness to it, we need, we need to talk seriously about it, okay. If you witnessed it happen, then WE need to talk about it.
R: I don’t know if I did or not, like I told ya, I blacked out, when I drink, when I drink
X: Do you remember driving around with the four of them?
R: (Inaudible) No, I don’t even know if I was, I don’t think I was either
X: Well you, what does Marvin drive, you know what Marvin drives, right?
R: I don’t know, I just, I don’t know, didn’t even see him that night and if I did, I was blacked out cause I don’t remember seeing him, Eugene, or Kevin.
X: People black out when they pass out and fall down on the ground. You were functional. You were walking around, you made it back over here, you made it back over to Chrystal’s
R: I, I do that lots, when I’m blacked out
X: And here’s, here’s the thing, YOU left, from Chrystal’s with George, and you ended back up over at Chrystal’s.

R: Uh-huh (affirmative)
X: Okay, and in between there, something happens, okay. That’s all we’re trying to get at, okay.
R: I know, I wouldn’t mind knowing what the hell happened too.

X: Okay
R: But it’s like I said, I blacked out from drinking so much
X: Okay, but these, these boys, who have told us that they done this, when we asked them about
you, they said well, he probably knows, but I, ya know, they don’t, I don’t think any of them said that Vernon kicked anybody, did they?

Geier: No, no involvement, but he knows about it.
X: I mean that’s so, I’m here trying to verify yourfriends story, okay. That’s, that’s all
R: Uh-huh (affirmative)
X: And if you wanta listen to the tape where George says that, I’ll play it for you, okay. Cause he showed up at the hospital, thinking he broke his foot on this guy

R: Uh-huh (affirmative)
X: And, and wanted some help over there, and, and he talked pretty honestly about it, okay. He talked pretty honestly and I’m not psychic, I’m here to talk to you cause he sent me over here, okay. And uh, I’m sorry it took me ya know, so long to get over here to see ya, but, and then I hear more and more, and your names involved a little more and then, and uh, based on what Eugene and George have had to say, we’re here trying to find out if, if you wanta help us or not, okay. If you wanta help us. And I suppose that people say, well he was in the car too, he’s just as guilty, but that’s not necessarily so.

R: Uh-huh (affirmative)
X: Okay, that’s not necessarily the truth. The extent of your involvement is what we’re looking at and whether you actually got out and took anything from this guy, or you hit him, or kicked him or, or, or sexually assaulted him, okay. And whoever’s responsible for sexually assaulting this kid, that’s one thing that George and Eugene really didn’t wanta talk about.

R: Uh-huh (affirmative)
X: Okay, I don’t know if they’re involved in that or not, whether they put something, an object up this guy or not. I don’t know. I don’t know if it’s Kevin, ya know, I don’t really know for sure. I, I wouldn’t bet that it would be George.
R: Uh-huh (affirmative)
X: Or Eugene, I wouldn’t bet that it be either of those guys. Uh, but they sent me over to talk to you, maybe that’s hard, them putting this off on you to be the one to tell, ya know? But, and then maybe that’s not fair, but that’s just the way it is, okay. So I think maybe we need to go down and, and talk about this seriously and figure it out. And uh, like I said you’re not under arrest. We’re, we just wanta get this story from you.

R: Uh-huh (affirmative)
X: And you can come back or, or whatever.

R: I basically told you what I know
X: Well you said you blacked out

R: Yes
X: You could’ve been in the car, but blacked out.

R: I blacked out

X: And, how, how old are you?
R: Twenty two
X: Okay, I’ve been drinking since I was nineteen, drinking age at nineteen

R: Uh-huh (affirmative)
X: Okay, I know when YOU drink a lot, sometimes things are fuzzy, ya know, your memory’s fuzzy, but you don’t forget everything

R: I do X: Okay.
R: I, that happened to me lots of times before. I remember some of the people telling me, oh you remember doing this and that, and

X: Well that’s
R: Man you were so funny that night, and I’d be like no, and then they’d be all like, I was blacked out
X: That’s, that’s little things, Vernon, that’s, that’s little funny things that you do, but having some guys hop out of a car and, and stomp a guy, and beat a guy, is probably not something that happens a lot. And that’s probably something that would stick out in your mind.
R: If, if I seen that, I mean I wouldn’t lie about it. I’d tell you, and if I seen it or not
X: Well, except for there’s a problem where you’re afraid of maybe being in trouble, or, or George is gonna get in more trouble if he’s the guy that sexually assaulted this boy or something. I don’t know. There’s a lot of reasons why you wouldn’t wanta tell us that right away, and I understand that. And I don’t hold that against you. I don’t hold that against you at all. But George sent us here to get the story from ya, and that’s why we’re here. It’s as simple as that, okay. You, you’re, you’re the guy that can tell us and I know it’s hard, I know it’s a shame that he had to put the rest of that off on you, but he told us, he did it. He told us what he did

R: Uh-huh (affirmative)
X: And uh, I just need to verify that with you, verify who else was involved and verify what your involvement is, they, they don’t say you kicked him, they don’t say you hit him. If that’s true,that’s fine.

R: Uh-huh (affirmative)
X: Okay, but that doesn’t excuse you from being a witness, you still have to be a witness, okay. And that’s, that’s all there is to it, okay. Now, let’s just please get past this a little bit, and tell us straight about it, and if you wanta go down to the police station
R: I am talking straight about it
X: And make a statement about it, well we can do that, okay. But I, I wanta, I want the whole story, ya know. I realize parts of it are gonna be fuzzy, and parts of it you aren’t gonna remember, but the whole thing is not anything that you’d forget, okay. And if its, if there’s other people involved that we don’t know, and that you know, we need to talk about that too, okay. Cause I wanta make sure we have all the facts, and I ya know, if they’re friends of yours that are involved, well we still need to talk about that. Cause just the indication I get from George, I mean he says, ya know, go talk to Vernon, Vernon will be able to tell ya, Vernon will be able to tell you what happened, that leads me to believe that you were there, okay. And there’s some talk from some other people about a fifth guy
being in the car, okay. Well, like we say, we’re not psychic, we’re just, we’re just trying to get to the truth. And from what I hear from these guys, it doesn’t sound like you assaulted anybody.
R: Uh-huh (affirmative)

X: It really doesn’t, it really doesn’t
R: I honestly don’t know. I mean I’m telling the truth
X: May, maybe we, maybe we can take a quick drive up to Ninth and Barnette and maybe that will help you remember.

G: Do you mind?

R: I don’t mind.
X: Sure, let’s take a quick drive up there.

R: I don’t remember anything though, sorry.

Alibis and Witnesses III

Posted on December 28, 2011 by thefairbanksfour

Crystal Sisto is mom to six kids, and as if that isn’t enough she also fills many, many roles in her position at BLM where her job duties range from auditing and payroll to equipment and crew hire. Crystal works and lives in Venetie, Alaska. In 1997 she was living with George Frese and the young daughter the two had together. They were middle school and high school sweethearts and became parents together at a young age. Needless to say, the events of October 1997 changed the course of her life, and her young daughter’s life forever. Her story is a powerful reminder that the reach of injustice is far. Yet despite the hardship she encountered, Crystal has never lost faith that the justice system will eventually work, and that these men will be exonerated. It is still hard for Crystal to talk about that night and the events that followed, but she has courageously agreed to share her story.

CRYSTAL ON THE EVENTS OF THAT NIGHT

It has been so many years its hard to remember everything. But a few things I know, will never forget, is that George was home at 1:30 am that night. I am sure. Also I know that George would have never done this kind of thing.

Okay, on October 12th. There was a wedding going on and at first we went to check that out, and I went to Cabaret for a bit. George and those guys made a run to the liquor store Patrick Henry went for them and had purchased 2 cases of beer a bottle of Bacardi……there was Vernon, myself, Patrick Henry, Edgar Henry, and George.

Patrick and I went to Cabaret and those guys went to out apartment. Then after a short while Patrick and I went to the apartment. My brother and his now wife were upstairs watching the baby. Those guys were already really drunk when we got there. We sat around at the apartment playing drinking games till my show was over that was around 1:30.

I know it was 1:30 in the morning because my show just ended at 1:30am, so they decided to check out the wedding at the Eagles Hall. It was Patrick, Edgar, George, John, On the way down they were going to stop at a friends that lived in the apartments next to the AK motel on Cushman.

George snuck into cabaret (also known as Elbow Room) and it was about 2:45 or 3 in the morning. He was in there with my mom and dad…he made it home between 3:30 to 4 or so in the morning……he had got a ride to part way and then walked. We sat around and continued to drink and laugh and then Vernon and George went to the bathroom to smoke a cigarette and it was the last one and they started to wrestle and became a little serious and in the end he hurt his foot in the bathroom.

CRYSTAL ON THE EVENTS THE NEXT AFTERNOON

George tried to lay down after a while. When he got up he was in pain and so we decided to go to the ER and I even explained it the nurse when she came in. She said something about downtown, and I told her no, and told her how he hurt his foot and she was like huh….then they took a long time to see him and then we found out she called the cops and said he was involved in the crime……I still can not believe an assumption from an ER employee could nurse would change our lives forever…….

When the police got to the hospital they talked with us for about an hour, and then they turned on the cassette tape. It was crazy the things they were saying, it was just like he was in trouble no matter what he said. Everything that happened there and everything and the way they interrogated him was not right. He gave in because he was drunk and tired and in pain. He just wanted it all to end and go home.

Georges shoes were sooo old the soles had holes in them and the tracks on them were flat and gone. We could not afford shoes for him. He kept his so I could get new ones and he kept his old ones, you could see his sock under his shoes…..there were almost no tracks because we were waiting for dividends to get him new ones. They took those shoes at the hospital. They questioned him for a very long time and then eventually they dropped him back off at the apartment. He told us how scary it had been, that he had agreed to this story they told him, that they were saying Eugene and a whole bunch of others had. He just wanted to get home and felt like there was no choice. It was scary.

You all know what happens after that….well anyways I got a hold of Robert Downes, George’s first lawyer and he told me to write everything down,and this was before they printed the times in the paper and on the news, I had it all down on paper the times and everything the whole layout of the night. Later they posted on the news and papers the times and what had happened, the police said I lied and got it off the papers and the news but that was impossible. I said times before anything was ever in the news.

ON GEORGE’S ARREST

My daughter was having a sleep over when they came to our home with bullet proof vest and guns, they came and surrounded our apartment. and searched everyone in my home patting them all down….it was very humiliating and very discouraging. George was laying down and they were yelling at him to stand up and he had no shoes and they threw him against the wall and he had no shoes on and my baby was holding his legs crying and I fell to the floor thinking I was going to wake up and that this was a dream.

I cried and called my dad and mom and they came trying to explain the truth but they said we would all lie. George was handcuffed and had no shoes on……my daughter was crying and I was lost………and little did I know this was only the beginning…..my father told the officers to put Georges shoes on and he is not leaving without shoes on,so they did as my father said and put his shoes on,then my father said can you uncuff him so he can hug his family good bye..they refused and one cop, I think Officer Sullivan, said “Do it, where is he going to go?”

They uncuffed him and he held our daughter tight and told her to be brave and that daddy loves her, then he came to me we looked at each other and then he said I love you, I promise I will be home soon and I will be back. I cried and we held each other so tight I never wanted to let him go, I was scared and he was all I had in life and he was all I ever knew….

ON GEORGE’S PREVIOUS RECORD

(It would come up, over and over in the papers, that George had a record of domestic violence, and therefore a violent past that indicated he was capable of violent assault).

I just wanted to let you know it is not what you think. George was loving and kind and never did hit me. We argued and I called the police with a story. It was me that had hit him, and that I tried to fix . I was the one but they don’t listen, so he told me to be quiet (I hit him). He never would hit a fly. He was never violent not at all.

ON COPING IN THE DAYS, MONTHS, and YEARS TO FOLLOW

I had no faith, courage, hope, or anything to live for anymore, he was all I had! The 3 of us. It was always just the 3 of us and no one else, we had no money but were happiest when we were broke.

You ask me how this changed me, the whole arrests and trials and him being locked away. I was a drug addict and an alcoholic that wanted to die. I became a cutter and cut myself many times and now I write this thinking how far I have come and thank God for not giving up on me!

It was not easy to move on. It was the hardest part for me, because I would have waited for him till the end of time. He broke it off with me when he realized he was not coming home soon. He said it was the best thing for me and for me to move on. It was like a knife cutting in heart. I did not want to move on – I wanted my life back.

ON SURVIVING AND MOVING ON

I am thankful each and everyday that God sent Jeremiah my way,when I was at the lowest point in my life and just gave up, there he was holding me, a complete mess, promising me everything will be ok and that he would never leave me,and we have been together since………

My life now is good. It was a long recovery and I have my Love who loves me and he had some big shoes to fill, but in the end he understood where I came from and now he helps me. I have 6 kids and a home and a life I love now….I pray for George every day and know someday the truth will reveal itself!

Thank you for hearing my story. Please pray each day that all our prayers be answered…one day my baby and her daddy will be together again……..

– Crystal Sisto

Crystal and George as pictured in their high school year book, a few short years before George was wrongfully convicted of murder.

Read George’s timeline HERE and a touching letter from Crystal and George’s daughter, now 17, HERE. You can read about George’s interrogation and transcripts of it HERE. Crystal was watching Late Night with Conan O’Brien that night. Across town a woman watching that same show was able to provide the time of Hartman’s attack. Read about that HERE.

If you or anyone you know has information about other suspects in the Hartman murder, please come forward. You can call the Innocence Project at 907-279-0454 or email them at info@alaskainnocence.org There is a reward that is always growing for information leading to exoneration.

If you were with any of the Fairbanks Four this night, please consider coming forward and sharing your story.

George’s Last Night – Timeline

Posted on December 16, 2011 by thefairbanksfour

George’s timeline is established through his interrogation, alibi interviews, testimony at trial, and his own account. Times are verified by more than one source. One of the biggest problems George faces was his level of intoxication, and inability to be his own alibi for portions of the night.

9:30 pm – George and his girlfriend Crystal Sisto call a cab and head to the Eagle’s Hall for the wedding reception at the Eagle’s Hall. The cab ride takes perhaps 10 minutes. When they arrive there is not much going on, and they only stay a short while.

10:00 pm – George and Crystal leave the reception on foot and walk down to 2nd Avenue.

10:05 pm – A few minutes into their walk they run into Vernon Roberts, Edgar Henry, and John Folger. Crystal decides to head to the Elbow Room bar, while George, Vernon, Edgar and John decide to head to George and Crystal’s apartment.

10:30 pm – George, Edgar, Vernon, and John stop by Thrifty Liquor, a liquor store on the way to George’s apartment. There they buy two cases of Miller genuine Draft and a 750mL bottle of Bacardi rum.

11:00 pm – The group arrives back at George and Crystal’s apartment, where Antonio Sisto and Dawn Carrol are babysitting. Antonio and Dawn visit for perhaps ten minutes, then head upstairs for the night shortly after the group arrives.

11:10 pm – George, Vernon, Edgar, and John begin drinking. They play Up River, Down River (an Alaskan variation on a card drinking game) and Quarters. They drink all of the beer playing these games. George and Edgar drink the most, probably consuming ten or twelve beers each.

12:30 pm – Crystal returns home to the apartment with Patrick Henry. Crystal has been drinking, but Patrick Henry does not drink and is completely sober. Patrick went with Crystal to the apartment to get the group there and return with everyone to the reception. He wants to leave right away, but the group continues drinking for the next hour or so, George drinks several shots of Bacardi. At this point George has drank about 12 beers and at least three shots of liquor. He is 150lbs. Even by conservative measure, his Blood Alcohol Content (BAC) would be about .358 This level of intoxication can actually be lethal, and can induce comas. Blackouts become “likely” at a Blood Alcohol Content of .20. Read about BAC levels and their symptoms HERE Calculate his BAC on your own HERE

1:20-1:30am – George leaves the apartment with John Folger, Vernon Roberts, Edgar Henry, and Patrick Henry, at this point he is extremely intoxicated. He remembers walking for a short time, but blacks out between 16th and 17th Avenue. The group walks toward the reception but decides to stop to visit a friend along the way and warm up. This time was confirmed several ways. Crystal Sisto who was at the apartment estimates that the group left at 1:30. When George arrives at the hospital and is interrogated, he states that he left his apartment between 1:20-30am, and blacked out shortly after. In a police interview and court testimony the late Patrick Henry states they left the apartment at about 1:30. Vernon Roberts confirms they left as a group and cannot remember the time. This time frame is crucial because this was the time when John Hartman was assaulted.

1:30-1:40 – George, John, Vernon, Edgar, and Patrick stop by Shannon Charlie’s apartment on 11th Avenue (George has no memory of this, others involved established this time frame). They stay for a short time and head to the reception.

2:00am – George, Edgar, and Patrick Henry arrive at the Eagle’s Hall. Patrick heads inside while Edgar and George drink with a group in the parking lot. Patrick Henry says the two were so drunk he felt he had to “babysit” them. He stayed inside the reception about 3am.

3:00 am – Patrick Henry returns to the parking lot to retrieve George and Edgar, who are still there. The trio walk to the Elbow Room bar, where Patrick Henry goes inside. Despite being underage, George and Edgar follow him inside. The bartender kicks George out (this is one of the few moments George recollects from these hours, and has a brief memory of being chased out of the Elbow Room).

3:00 am – 3:15 am – Agnes Brockmeyer arrives at the Elbow Room to pick up her father, Johnny David. She sees George, her father, and a group “horse-playing” on the sidewalk outside the bar. George approaches her and asks for a ride home. She says he was not limping or injured at all. Agnes gives George a ride. He gets out a Midtown inexplicably and walks toward the direction of home. (George remembers getting a ride with Johnny David, and remembers being at Midtown. He references both during his interrogation). Vernon Roberts confirms that he parted ways with George at Elbow Room around 3am. Vernon walks back to George’s apartment with Patrick Henry, John Folger, and Edgar Henry. The three do not know that George caught a ride with Agnes, and are concerned that he is missing, given his level of intoxication. Vernon and Patrick Henry both state that George did not have an injured foot at this time. Three witnesses confirm his foot was not injured. This is important because the prosecution will allege that he had badly injured his foot kicking John Hartman at 1:30am, which would mean he should have been injured at this time.

4:00 am (about) – George arrives back at home where all of the original group are at his apartment (Crystal, Patrick, Edgar, John, Vernon) and have been joined by Crystal’s cousin Rachel, who brought another bottle of liquor. George begins drinking again at the apartment and remembers drinking several shots. He again blacks out and does not remember anything until waking up the next afternoon. Crystal states that during this time, George and Vernon got in a wrestling match over the last cigarette that started lighthearted and became a bit serious. She believes this is how George injured his foot. He has not memory of this time, but presumably kept drinking. (Others state that he continued drinking, slept a brief while, stopped by another apartment for a few beers, and then slept briefly in the afternoon at the apartment).

Afternoon – George wakes up with severe pain in his left foot. So severe he is at first unable to walk, and crawls down the stairs, where many of last nights guests remain. At this point Antonio Sisto asks him how he hurt his foot. Although he does not remember how he hurt his foot, he tells Antonio he hurt it in a fight. “I actually wanted it to be from a fight,” George said, “I wanted some sort of social praise. Little did I know that when I told the same story to the receptionist at the hospital that there was a fifteen year old boy in the Intensive Care Unit.” After deciding that the pain is extreme and his foot is likely broken he calls for a ride to the hospital.

3:30 pm – George checks into the E.R. with an injured foot. When the receptionist asks him how he hurt his foot, he tells her he hurt it in a fight. Although there is no record of George’s Blood Alcohol Level (a Fairbanks Memorial Hospital Nurse confirms that it is standard practice to take a BAC reading in intoxicated patients), if we assume that he only drank two more beers and four more shots of liquor (his companions think he drank even more), his BAC level would be .314 when he checked into the hospital.

HOW GEORGE BECOMES A SUSPECT

When George checks into the hospital he tells the receptionist the same story he told his Antonio: that he hurt his foot fighting. Pretty tough-Indian thing to say, but not true. He thought it was a cool thing to say, made him seem tough, and certainly cooler than “I was so drunk I don’t know.”

Diane Hill has been upstairs, performing a sexual assault exam on John Hartman. When she comes down she is assigned a patient.. In a happenstance that will change the rest of his life, Diane Hill is assigned George Frese as her next patient. The triage nurse tells nurse Diane Hill when she hands over the chart that a drunk Native kid is in with a hurt foot and says he hurt it in a fight.

She testifies during trial that when she went into room where George was waiting to have his foot looked at she entered and they had the following exchange, which persuaded her that he was involved with the beating of John Hartman “I understand that you were in a fight downtown last night, and kicked someone, and hurt your foot, is that right? And he answered Yes.”

Diane Hill then calls the Fairbanks Police and says she believes one of the murders is there as a patient. George is transferred, according to his girlfriend Crystal, to an odd and secure room. According to Crystal the police show up and begin aggressively interrogating and threatening George for some time before his interrogation begins.

Read about his interrogation HERE, including links to transcripts of the interrogations.

SOME NOTES ON GEORGE’S TIMELINE

When George said he was blacked out of periods of time, the police insist that it is SCIENTIFICALLY impossible to black out and indicate that he will be charged with sexual assault and murder if he continues to insist that it is the case. Read about the science of blackouts HERE. There are plenty of articles about the science or blackouts, so feel free to post any others you find!

In a nutshell, over consumption of alcohol can block neurons and inhibit the formation of memory, meaning that the memories are not there “deep in the brain” as the detectives insist, but actually were never created, so try as a person might, the memories cannot be accessed because they are not there.

George’s level of intoxication was such that he could not be his own alibi. However, his level of intoxication is such that it also seems unlikely he could participate in an assault. There are significant witnesses who were willing to provide alibi testimony. Many were ignored by the police AND defense council (see affidavit of Agnes Brockmeyer below who tried to contact both the police and attorney). Some, most notably Patrick Henry, Edgar Henry, and Antonio Sisto were threatened, lied to, and made to feel that if they continued to provide an alibi that they would be charged with this or another crime. Although George Frese’s attorney did not call any alibi witnesses, Patrick Henry testified to timeline in a different trial.

It is also worth noting that George says he left his house at 1:30am during his interrogation. Crystal also makes this statement to the police, and so does Patrick Henry. They state this time BEFORE even the police knew the time of John Hartman’s beating, and without a chance to speak to each other and “create” a timeline, as the prosecution would constantly hint at trial.

A Letter from a Daughter to her Father

Posted on December 12, 2011 by thefairbanksfour

The case of the Fairbanks Four is about investigation, interrogation, mass information, misinformation, DNA, rather lack thereof, words and words, pages and pages, testimonies and ablibis, truths, and lies. All manner of things disappointing and wicked.

Sometimes to look at it is beyond exhausting and even their most ardent supporters grow weary. And then, some kind of blessing arrives, some kind of reminder of what this is really about. It’s about everyday people who have suffered an injustice having the courage to stand up for themselves. Below is a letter from George’s daughter, who was a few weeks shy of her third birthday when they broke into her home and took away her dad. If she can remain faithful and determined, certainly so can we.

My Dad, George Frese.

You left when I was a baby, and now when you come back, I’m a woman. You don’t know me and I don’t know you, but we have all the time we need to get to know each other again. I may not remember much about having a dad, but we can make new memories and you can always be there for me again. I miss you every day, I wish you were here. But you’re not. And you’re fighting your way home to be my dad again. I fight for your justice even though I know its dangerous to do so. MY DAD IS INNOCENT! Love you lots, whatever you say.

Love,

Your babygirl, Tiliisia Sherrine!!!

She added,

I miss my dad so much, and people just don’t how much I miss him. On the outside I’m happy and fighting for him, while on the inside I’m crying and screaming for him to come home, and wishing he would be here. My dad was in my life once, I’m pretty sure he can be there for me again. :’)

Here is a picture of George from about 1993, a few years before Tiliisia was born, and four years before he would be arrested for murder.

People who know him will tell you he was funny. Really, really funny. And a sweet guy. A nice guy, a gentle soul. They will also tell you that he had a child very young, but loved her SO very much and was really a dedicated father. It is a heartbreak that this injustice took a father away from his daughter, but she has grown into a strong girl and a fighter!

And, here she is at one of our last fundraisers, counting up donations that will fund the fight to bring her father home!

And on that note…….there IS a lot you can do to help. Spread, spread, spread the word! The number of supporters these guys have grows every day. There will come a critical point where the combined voices are too loud to be ignored.

Attend fundraisers if you are in the Fairbanks area. We plan to have our next one near North American time.

Donate online to Alaska Innocence Project HERE

You can donate miles or dollars to ease the cost of travel.

And REMEMBER….there are people in Fairbanks that have information about this case and about alternate suspects. No matter how small your information may seem, email your tips in to info@alaskainnocence.org or call 907-279-0454.

We have all heard whispers and rumors throughout the years – next time, ask a few questions. Rack your mind. If you have any information, email or call it in!!

There is an always-growing reward for information that leads to the exoneration of these young men.

Who’s Afraid of the Big Bad Wolf?

Posted on December 6, 2011 by thefairbanksfour

A better question might be who’s afraid of the big bad wolf pack?

The corruption in this case runs very deep. So deep that there is no point in denying that there is a large range of potential risks in writing about some of it publicly. Every stone that is turned over in researching this case reveals more and more indications of corruption, some on the part of common criminals, some on the part of those that we should be most able to trust – police officers, attorneys, and judges. And the idea of making any of them too angry is, well, scary.

But the truth in this case is that fear was used like a tool to repress many people. A lack of courage on the part of many was required for justice to be so far miscarried. In this climate, the courage of some is all the more astounding. The earliest truth-tellers in this situation are people to be admired. It seems simple enough to just tell the truth, but as Orwell said, “In times of universal deceit telling the truth becomes of revolutionary act.” It was scary to stand up then, and many didn’t.

There is a quote so often repeated that it is hard to find its original source – “All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.” It is a powerful idea, and one that applies here. Many, many, many people did not come forward as alibis, or as informants to the actual perpetrators while this case was active because they were afraid. It is understandable, it was a terrifying time, but to move forward we must let go of that fear. Many good people did nothing when this case occurred. That is the past, and we must learn from it, but we must also let it remain the past and walk bravely into a new future.

So, here is a new quote to for a new era:

“Power is of two kinds. One is obtained by the fear of punishment and the other by acts of love. Power based on love is a thousand times more effective and permanent then the one derived from fear of punishment.” – Gandhi

We possess a power greater than those that oppose us because we act from love. On that note, here are some of the highlights of corruption in this case. Sadly, this is the tip of the iceberg:

When the labwork came back and there was NO physical evidence against the Fairbanks Four, the investigators did not pursue other leads. They went “shopping” for jailhouse snitches. One was a woman who claims that she overheard an incriminating statement while she was in jail at FCC the same time as the four. Even though male and female inmates are separated even in general population. Even though the four were being held in isolation, where they made comments of any nature to absolutely no one. The star witness was a man who received leniency in his own crimes (and whose criminal record would make you sick) who agreed to testify that he had seen the four together. From 550 feet away. In the dark. Drunk. High on drugs. Standing with a group of people, some who were sober, who saw nothing. (To be fair, perhaps he got into radioactive goo or something as a child and has super powers).

In the absence of any physical evidence to take to trial, Detective Aaron Ring and Prosecutor Jeffery O’Bryant got together in their hotel room and made some. Don’t bother reading that sentence twice, you did indeed read it right the first time. With young men’s entire FUTURES at stake men sworn to uphold justice, to serve and protect us all, made exhibits for court during a hasty craft hour held in their hotel room. They took a lab-made ink print of George’s boot that was printed on clear overhead type paper. They selected a few slides that did not show all of the tread. They then layed it over a photo of John Hartman’s face. The photo had no scale. It was scientific garbage, but the lab logo would lead the average person to see it as legitimate. With no scale, a picture can be adjusted until its size roughly corresponds with any shoe. The exhibit was not made by a forensic lab, but by a police officer and prosecutor in their hotel room.

In an affidavit filed by John Cayton, the forensic expert the defense employed at the trial, filed post-trial, Mr. Cayton calls the exhibit “extremely misleading,” “troubling,” a “misrepresentation,” and states that, after repeatedly asking the defense attorney for a chance to review the evidence (remember, the defense attorney should have WANTED his expert informed), he was eventually told to get it directly from Aaron Ring, who sent poor quality copies and copies without any scale.

George’s first attorney, Bob Downes, made some other remarkable choices during trial. In addition to not supplying the expert the information he would have needed to testify properly, he did not call any of George’s alibis as witnesses. He also DID NOT OBJECT to the homemade bogus boot exhibit.

Bob Downes had worked with the prosecutor, Jeffery O’Bryant in the past, and knew him personally. After the trial was lost Bob Downes became a judge. He used Jeffery O’Bryant as a reference, and got the job. You can read his application/resume HERE.

No other suspects were investigated. Even though John Hartman’s brother had received a phone call warning him that his brother might be in danger the same night that he was killed. Even though Chris Stone, the person last seen alive with the victim, had astounding inaccuracies in his statement. Even though the victim was found wearing his pants. Even though he had suffered a similar beating a few weeks earlier and had refused to name his assailants. Even though there was never ever any evidence that any of the accused knew the victim or would have had any reason to harm him. Even though Chris Stone left a disturbing message for a friend that night, even though that friend asked police to get a copy, even though she went to the police station that day to make a statement that she thought Chris Stone was not being honest. EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE.

All interrogations in Alaska are required by law to be taped. George insists, and Crystal Sisto also insists, that his interrogation began long before a tape recorder came on. Read transcripts of the interrogation HERE and decide if that seems to be the case. You can also read the post about his interrogation HERE.

Eugene Vent was a minor and had the right to have a parent present. They told him that, but read about his interrogation HERE and ask yourself if they really believed he had understood all of his rights.

There is no recorded Blood Alcohol Level for George Frese on record anywhere. Interesting, considering that he had drank beer and liquor all night, hard liquor all morning and into the afternoon. Unusual, since it seems that an intoxicated underage patient would typically have a blood alcohol test. It makes you wonder…..is there a blood alcohol content at which a person must receive medical treatment and cannot be interrogated? Is there a blood alcohol content at which a person is considered legally incompetent and their statements could be voided? If there was one taken, how did it disappear?

The key players in this case received serious promotions following the “successful” outcome. These boys made the list of his notable accomplishments when Jeffery O’Bryant’s promotion to Fairbanks District Attorney was announced. Check that out HERE

Add to that the MANY PAGES of details that we will need time to write down. Add to that controversies that we are still afraid to write down. Add to that corruption we have not unearthed. And add this final quote to your mind for times when you want to blend into the flock because you are afraid:

“Make yourself sheep and the wolves will eat you.” Benjamin Franklin

There are many people in our community who know who committed this crime and have remained quiet out of fear. To you we say, muster your courage. Put your faith in the idea that to act from love gives you great power. Remember that fear does not make you safe, it makes you sheep. And the wolves are out there.

The Truth About Fear – George’s Interrogation

Posted on November 29, 2011 by thefairbanksfour

George did not confess.

He did, after hours of pressure, make incriminating statements.

George was so drunk on the night of October 10, 1997 that he couldn’t remember much of the night, and was perfectly primed for deception.

The police lied to him about evidence, lied and said his friend’s said he was at this crime scene, lied and said blackouts are scientifically impossible, lied and gave him two choices: admit you were there, or be framed for a brutal beating and sexual assault of a child.

Please, read the post about Eugene’s Interrogation, and use the links in it to educate yourself about false confessions. Much of what is said regarding false confessions is of huge significance in George’s interrogation as well, but for brevity do not want to rehash it in this post.

George’s interrogation began at the Fairbanks Memorial Hospital. Although it is required by law that interrogators record all of an interrogation, George’s transcripts have some glaring issues. First, logic makes it seem that the interrogation began long before the recording began. Secondly, mid-way through George says “I want to go home.” If, in fact, he had asked to go home the police would have HAD to let him go. But they allege that the detective stepped out of the room, George said that to himself, and then the detective re-entered. His police interview following the statement “I want to go home” was deemed inadmissable in court, which means that the incriminating statements he made toward the end were not used to convict him.

George, like Eugene, was incredibly intoxicated during his interview. He began drinking the night before and drank through the morning and into the afternoon. He came to the hospital with a hurt foot. Crystal Sisto, his girlfriend at the time who spent the night with George says he hurt his foot when a wrestling match between he and his cousin over the last cigarette went from lighthearted to a bit too intense. George did not remember how he hurt his foot. He told the nurse he hurt it in a fight. The nurse decided that his hurt foot was connected to the victim dying in ICU and alerted police, who established that he knew Eugene Vent (already being questioned) and came to the hospital to question him.

Through much of the interrogation he is confused. For example, he thinks that Eugene is actually the victim, and person in ICU. He denies involvement for most of the interview. For hours they insist that his friends have said he was there at the crime scene and kicked John Hartman. When he tries to call one of the named friends, they tell him he cannot. Like in Eugene’s interrogation, the police lie about the evidence, they tell him that there is blood on his boot, that his footprint has been matched to the victim’s wounds. George had been blacked out drunk for much of the night, and in reality knew little of his movements after about 1:30am. After the detective comes in and says they have Marvin Roberts, he finally relents and agrees to the scenario the police have been laying out for may hours. Perhaps it was a tipping point – Marvin was well known as an honest, sober kid. Believing that Marvin had said he was there may well have convinced him that he was.

The premise the police use through George’s entire interrogation is saying that a claim of being blacked out drunk was a lie, that it is scientifically impossible (this, of course, was itself a lie). George asks for a hypnotist to help recover the memory. He tells them repeatedly that he is scared. For hours he insists he does not remember much of the night. The interrogators insist that his options are to admit having kicked the victim a few times, or continue claiming that he has no memory and have them “assume the worst.” They insist that the others are pointing fingers at George if he claims to have no memory. They insinuate that he will be framed for a brutal beating and sexual assault of a young boy if he doesn’t admit to having been there.

After hours, George caves and agrees that he was probably there, and probably kicked the person. Immediately following admitting that he was there, he recants and says “I don’t f**king really remember all that sh*t.”

As the interview continues he answers most questions with “I don’t know” or “I don’t remember.” The tape then cuts out again, and when the recording begins again he answers a series of questions. Ultimately, he is given two scenarios. One is bad, one is worse. He picks the lesser of two evils.

When I read this interrogation, I hear the voice of a terrified incredibly drunk friend navigating the worst experience of his life, and know now what he probably feared most at that time – that this interview was the first in a series of events that would separate him from his family, from the daughter he loved perfectly. That type of fear is a tactic, the truth is that fear can be used like a weapon to break a person down. The truth is that a drunk, confused, manipulated, scared kid will say about anything to get away from that kind of fear, even if the reprieve is brief.

CLICK HERE TO READ GEORGE’S INTERROGATION

Can DNA Evidence Set the Record Straight?

Posted on November 27, 2011 by thefairbanksfour

Many prominent exonerations have come after Innocence Projects re-tested DNA evidence collected from a crime. Unfortunately, that is not an option in this case. The summary of physical evidence connecting George Frese, Eugene Vent, Kevin Pease, and Marvin Roberts to the murder for which they were arrested and convicted is contained below:

That’s right – nothing. No physical evidence. Zero, Nada, Nothing. There are many points of this case on which people disagree and can present a compelling argument. The point of physical evidence is not one of them.

Perhaps, if we assume the best of the investigators, they may have believed during the earliest points of the investigation that they had the right men. Kevin Pease, for example, had blood visible on his shirt when he was questioned. He claimed that the blood was his from a nosebleed. Labs would confirm that was the case.

Police collected the shoes and clothes that George, Marvin, Eugene, and Kevin were wearing the night of October 12, 1997 and sent them to a forensic lab, most likely hoping or assuming that some physical evidence would link them to the victim. Nothing did. No blood, no DNA, nothing.

Police dismantled Marvin’s car looking for evidence that would at least place the four young men together in the vehicle. Nothing.

Despite the accusation that these four men had spent the evening together on an unprovoked spree of violence, culminating in the kicking/stomping murder of John Hartman, no physical evidence of any kind has ever linked them to the victim, the crime scene, or each other.

According to the national Innocence Project, eye-witness misidentification, snitch testimony, and false confessions are often the key ingredients to wrongful conviction. All of these elements would be used to build a case against the four. Missing from this case is physical evidence of any kind, the most reliable form of evidence, and in a crime of this nature, the most obvious type of evidence to look for in the search for the responsible parties.

It seems logical to assume that there was indeed physical evidence on the people who committed this crime. Unfortunately, such evidence was never collected. No other suspects were ever pursued in this case. The physical evidence of this crime probably existed in those crucial hours following the murder, on the shoes, vehicle, and clothing of the actual perpetrators. And it was probably washed away a decade and a half ago.

These four will have to proceed toward exoneration without physical evidence, a notoriously difficult and complex fight.

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Category Archives: George

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I Shall Be Released – Video Post

Alibis and Witnesses V – Paging Conan

Alibis and Witnesses IV – Alibis Interrogated

Alibis and Witnesses III

George’s Last Night – Timeline

A Letter from a Daughter to her Father

My Dad, George Frese.

Love,

Your babygirl, Tiliisia Sherrine!!!

I miss my dad so much, and people just don’t how much I miss him. On the outside I’m happy and fighting for him, while on the inside I’m crying and screaming for him to come home, and wishing he would be here. My dad was in my life once, I’m pretty sure he can be there for me again. :’)

Who’s Afraid of the Big Bad Wolf?

The Truth About Fear – George’s Interrogation

Can DNA Evidence Set the Record Straight?

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My Dad, George Frese.

Love,

Your babygirl, Tiliisia Sherrine!!!

I miss my dad so much, and people just don’t how much I miss him. On the outside I’m happy and fighting for him, while on the inside I’m crying and screaming for him to come home, and wishing he would be here. My dad was in my life once, I’m pretty sure he can be there for me again. :’)

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